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certainly mitt romney is far to the right on things like women's issues, on choice, on judge, on all those things, but i think the conversation has been more about is he for the top over the folks who are in the middle and at the bottom. if you look at what he did at the debate, he tried to, you know, wiggle his way out of being this guy who is just for the top, this plutocrat that american people think he is basically and that he is, and the truth of the matter is that his position, the things that he has espoused on the campaign trail that he used to get through the republican primary, are positions that are very focused on the top and it looks like what the campaign is doing and what the press is doing is pointing out mitt romney is not telling the truth about the positions he has. >> yeah. but that's presuming he's going to stay on one message or the other. the most shocking thing about the debate, you're not going to do the 20% across the board tax cut, now you like certain parts of the obama care, but it muddles the president's tactics in terms on hammering him on things if tho
certainly mitt romney is far to the right on things like women's issues, on choice, on judge, on all those things, but i think the conversation has been more about is he for the top over the folks who are in the middle and at the bottom. if you look at what he did at the debate, he tried to, you know, wiggle his way out of being this guy who is just for the top, this plutocrat that american people think he is basically and that he is, and the truth of the matter is that his position, the things...
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check out the guy on the right. it's good stuff. might not help romney with the latino vote. we're going to get a new nbc news "wall street journal" poll coming up in our next hour. >>> then bringing out bubba. president bill clinton will stump for the president in new hampshire at noon today. overmany discounts to thine customers! [old english accent] safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lord jamie. thou cometh and we thy saveth! what are you doing? we doth offer so many discounts, we have some to spare. oh, you have any of those homeowners discounts? here we go. thank you. he took my shield, my lady. these are troubling times in the kingdom. more discounts than we knoweth what to do with. now that's progressive. this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy >>> welcome back, everybody. earlier we asked you, do you think that one of t
check out the guy on the right. it's good stuff. might not help romney with the latino vote. we're going to get a new nbc news "wall street journal" poll coming up in our next hour. >>> then bringing out bubba. president bill clinton will stump for the president in new hampshire at noon today. overmany discounts to thine customers! [old english accent] safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lord jamie. thou cometh and we thy saveth! what are you...
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right? at the moment, yes there's a lot of romney activity. ha they're doing -- and barack obama's speech is above that. what i love is the first lady's speech is above mitt romney's convention speech. >> i don't want us to lose touch of the importance of the human connection, of pressing the flesh. like you're saying, the trick is to web the two. we know from political science research, your direct mobilization is always going to be more effective than your indirect mobilization. eer getting better at it. it's a nice subsidy. you can't say oh, we're in a new technological era, we don't need boots on the street and you need boots on the street. >> that's right. bridging the virtual world with the physical word. that's when social media channels come to life and the magic happens. whoever coined the term social media didn't do us any favors. it's not really media. it's more like the telephone, less like the tv. when it comes to communication, we all revolve around communication. but when you can bring that vart ul world and physical world and m
right? at the moment, yes there's a lot of romney activity. ha they're doing -- and barack obama's speech is above that. what i love is the first lady's speech is above mitt romney's convention speech. >> i don't want us to lose touch of the importance of the human connection, of pressing the flesh. like you're saying, the trick is to web the two. we know from political science research, your direct mobilization is always going to be more effective than your indirect mobilization. eer...
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the right wing romney from the primary fight is no more. this week the etch-a-sketch came alive. the former governor championed centrist principles and got away with it. he keeps this act up. michael steele is a former chair of the rnc as well as an msnbc political analyst and cynthia tucker is a syndicated columnist. thank you. michael, there's on old tradition in politics, you go to your fringe or hard left or hard right to win the primaries and caucuses, and then you start to move slowly so by labor day you're ready to confront the enemy at the center. he didn't do it like that. he stayed right all the way through the summer and maybe masterfully wednesday decided to go with i'm for the 100%. i'm for pre-existing condition coverage, for all this education, all this good stuff. >> i think part of that -- you're right in your analysis, that's exactly what happens politically. i think for the romney campaign they took that strategy, elongated it because they had some shoring up to do with their base. >> can he pull it off? can you make that kind of switcheroo in september? >> i t
the right wing romney from the primary fight is no more. this week the etch-a-sketch came alive. the former governor championed centrist principles and got away with it. he keeps this act up. michael steele is a former chair of the rnc as well as an msnbc political analyst and cynthia tucker is a syndicated columnist. thank you. michael, there's on old tradition in politics, you go to your fringe or hard left or hard right to win the primaries and caucuses, and then you start to move slowly so...
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wade except by electing mitt romney, right? who will then pick supreme court judges who will do that. but they can't make it so hard to get an abortion that it might as well be illegal. they can make the right to access abortion a right in name only. after republicans won big majorities in 2010, they've enacted restrictions not seen. since roe vs. wade was decided in 1973. and as a result of this new wave of restrictions, we're seeing signs of a return to a reality in america that is looking more and more like the days before roe. "business week" published an interesting story this week out of arizona about a woman who is running a nonprofit program there to help poor women in arizona find ways to access abortions. discusses these new restrictions. you can no longer get an abortion outside tucson or phoenix in arizona. and even then you have to wait 24 hours after a forced ultrasound, which means many women are forced to travel hundreds of miles, and then pay to stay overnight in one of those two cities. pending another new abo
wade except by electing mitt romney, right? who will then pick supreme court judges who will do that. but they can't make it so hard to get an abortion that it might as well be illegal. they can make the right to access abortion a right in name only. after republicans won big majorities in 2010, they've enacted restrictions not seen. since roe vs. wade was decided in 1973. and as a result of this new wave of restrictions, we're seeing signs of a return to a reality in america that is looking...
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mitt romney is sure going to try. but you're right, i mean, the polls show it. he has a steep hill to climb in terms of changing the narrative, in term of bringing people to his side, in term of maybe tightening the polls with the president. when you have the 47% video out there, when you have other comments out there such as, i'm not very concerned about poor people or i like firing -- i like being able to fire people who provide services to me, it sets up this image of a person who really is not like us. the us -- by the us i mean, not just the 47%, but the 99% of the folks who don't get to live in the way mitt romney has been able to live as a very wealthy man. again, there's nothing wrong with being a very wealthy man. there is something wrong about a person running for the president of the united states who the voters feel like they can't relate to me and he can't relate to my problems, so how is he going to be able to solve them? >> john, isn't the president actually in the more vulnerable position in terms of behavior and demeanor? because the president h
mitt romney is sure going to try. but you're right, i mean, the polls show it. he has a steep hill to climb in terms of changing the narrative, in term of bringing people to his side, in term of maybe tightening the polls with the president. when you have the 47% video out there, when you have other comments out there such as, i'm not very concerned about poor people or i like firing -- i like being able to fire people who provide services to me, it sets up this image of a person who really is...
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and -- have hurt mitt romney and yet there is an increasing industry growing up on the right to just deny this. and i'm not even sure like what the point of it is. i mean, maybe you're right, but then isn't it all just going to on election day be exposed as like -- i'm just fascinated by the growth of this industry, joe. >> well, one of the things that i see, and this is outside of politics because i write about economics so much, is i use charts a lot in my writing, you know, comparing public sector employment, private sector. i see the same thing all the time. this aggression against data or they're convinced that all data is manipulated darks at that is a lie. if i show that private sector employment has actually done relatively well under obama, relatively well compared to past recoveries and most of the job losses have been in the public sector, people think it's a lie. the debate ends because i can't, you know -- there's nowhere to go from there. they refuse to believe it. i see this happen -- so i see this happen all the time. i think what i thought when i saw the unskewed pol
and -- have hurt mitt romney and yet there is an increasing industry growing up on the right to just deny this. and i'm not even sure like what the point of it is. i mean, maybe you're right, but then isn't it all just going to on election day be exposed as like -- i'm just fascinated by the growth of this industry, joe. >> well, one of the things that i see, and this is outside of politics because i write about economics so much, is i use charts a lot in my writing, you know, comparing...
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right now. >> after we called, they did remove that outgoing message all together. no rush. it is not like we are in election season or anything. don't rush. you guys. >>> strategy shift. mitt romney backs off his 47% remarks while president obama sharpens his attacks. >>> leap of faith. tense moments as a mother and her five kids are forced to jump from a burning building. and sweet mystery. why are bees in france producing green and blue honey? >>> good morning, everyone. i'm lynn berry. those stories and more are straight ahead. this is "first look" on msnbc. >>> and we are going to begin this morning with back to battle. the two presidential candidates are busy attacking each other on the campaign trail following their first debate. today president obama will be campaigning in virginia and ohio. mitt romney is in virginia. governor romney boasted about his debate performance and told supporters he will take back the white house. but for the first time, romney backed away from his controversial remarks about the 47% of americans who don't pay federal income taxes. he was
right now. >> after we called, they did remove that outgoing message all together. no rush. it is not like we are in election season or anything. don't rush. you guys. >>> strategy shift. mitt romney backs off his 47% remarks while president obama sharpens his attacks. >>> leap of faith. tense moments as a mother and her five kids are forced to jump from a burning building. and sweet mystery. why are bees in france producing green and blue honey? >>> good...
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. >> right now there's a romney strategist rushing a memo to mr. romney in his prep room saying, the liberals on msnbc say -- we'll see if they take this. we've got to take a quick break. tonight is probably as big as it gets in terms of the persuadable audience watching tonight to make up their mind between these two candidates. it may not get bigger than it is tonight. we have nbc's chuck today straight ahead with the latest numbers. we've got a lot to get to. this is msnbc's live coverage of the first presidential debate. >> i want you to know that, also, i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be cool if we took the nissan altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? gave it greater horsepower and best in class 38 mpg highway... advanced headlights... and zero gravity seats? yeah, that would be cool. ♪ introducing the completely reimagined nissan altima. it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that ex
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right now they're drilling him on basic grammar skills. >> romney's people just hope he remains upright. he's a big napper, john. big napper. mitt romney, 90 minutes awake and upright means big win for the camp. >> so jonathan, pugh had an interesting poll showing that president obama is expected to win the debate by a51% and mitt romney by 29%. it seems like president obama is more highly anticipated as the winner of the debate. do these sort of expectations setting games actually work for voters? >> i don't think they matter too much for the voters. it's a lot of fun for us to talk about. you know, as the comedy that you were just playing before suggested, if either one of these guys gets a complete sentence out, it should be a surprise to all of us. look, i think that it -- it matters a little bit on the margins, working the reporters who then report to the public. by and large i think the public is pretty good at making its own judgments. i don't think people walk in going, well, my expectations is about a 4, so if he gets a 6, i'll vote for him. if he gets a 5, no way. i don't thin
right now they're drilling him on basic grammar skills. >> romney's people just hope he remains upright. he's a big napper, john. big napper. mitt romney, 90 minutes awake and upright means big win for the camp. >> so jonathan, pugh had an interesting poll showing that president obama is expected to win the debate by a51% and mitt romney by 29%. it seems like president obama is more highly anticipated as the winner of the debate. do these sort of expectations setting games actually...
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we'll see you all soon. >> all right. >>> coming up, mitt romney is about to make a major foreign policy speech. is this the time to take the focus off the economy? we'll look at that issue with our brain trust. yes, they're back, and they're fired up. they're coming back next. [ female announcer ] caroline penry began using olay total effects in 2001. and one wedding, 2 kids, 43 bottles of olay total effects many birthdays later, still looks amazing. thanks to the trusted performance of olay. still looks amazing. and get 3 years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. but hurry, sleep train's inventory clearance sale ends columbus day. ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >>> with the first debate in the books, the two campaigns are preparing for the next big moment. for mitt romney, it is going to be a major foreign policy speech scheduled for monday morning at the virginia military institute. back with us are perry bacon jr., jennifer rubin and tara mcginnis making up our brain trust panel today. do you agree with the romney's decision to shift the focus to foreign policy, p
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board tax cut. >> right. which has to mean a tax increase for the middle class. it's the only way to pay for it if you want it to be revenue neutral. he can't make the argument about the economy because as we've said, he'll try to make the argument that obama has been an infective steward. we're now protected to be a positive three. that's a 12% positive swing since he came in as president. and it's just hard to see where romney goes on the economy because obama has got a good answer. he can't go anywhere on taxes because his proposal has got to mean a middle income -- middle class tax increase. he can't go anywhere on medicare because they're losing the argument badly, particularly in ohio and florida on medicare. that's a big reason why the numbers have flipped in those two states because seniors have moved over to the obama -- >> karen? >> i was going to say the other thing, to julian's point, it's a debate which means unlike the debates that mitt romney did earlier this year where you have maybe 30 second
board tax cut. >> right. which has to mean a tax increase for the middle class. it's the only way to pay for it if you want it to be revenue neutral. he can't make the argument about the economy because as we've said, he'll try to make the argument that obama has been an infective steward. we're now protected to be a positive three. that's a 12% positive swing since he came in as president. and it's just hard to see where romney goes on the economy because obama has got a good answer. he...
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not everyone is willing to admit president obama is actually leading mitt romney right now. despite what the polling data shows. well, stephen colbert weighed in. >> you can't trust polls, right fox news? >> the latest fox news polls give president obama an edge in three key swing states. once you isolate voters who are extremely interested in the election, the race is much closer. >> romney's tied when you focus on the inexpressibly intrigued. and he's up by two points when you count only voters who are psychotically engaged. folks, i have got my own source of polls, conservative blogger dean chambers who analyzed these polls favoring obama and then reached the scientific conclusion that they just didn't look right. chambers' work throws all polls into doubt now. even the internal ones i have taken of myself. i mean, the results say i'm not that excited about mitt romney, but as a conservative i feel like i should love him. maybe the sample size is too small or maybe i checked the wrong box and i'm actually latino, you know? >> it's not a good sign just six weeks from elect
not everyone is willing to admit president obama is actually leading mitt romney right now. despite what the polling data shows. well, stephen colbert weighed in. >> you can't trust polls, right fox news? >> the latest fox news polls give president obama an edge in three key swing states. once you isolate voters who are extremely interested in the election, the race is much closer. >> romney's tied when you focus on the inexpressibly intrigued. and he's up by two points when...
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he knows exactly what romney is going to bring at him. brett is right. i think romfully be respectful. but i think the challenge will be to counterpunch as effectively as possible. >> brett, gq wrote about the squ advice you gave romney. here is a quote more using qualifiers that feed the perception of you as a flip-flopperment attack gingrich constantly, call him a washington insider, a fannie/freddie lobbyist. make him so apoplectic he can't talk. >> i think it was a matter of focus. and assisting in terms of what needed to happen strategically. i think in this debate he's got to do the same thing. he's got to be aggressive with the president and the president's policies. if the debate becomes about anything other than the economic policies and the vision in terms he wants to lay out in terms of where he wants to take the country economically, he is losing. >> you mentioned debate about his economic policy. one of the chief criticisms that has been thrown at the governor at this point is that his economic policy is fairly vague. he hasn't laid out spec
he knows exactly what romney is going to bring at him. brett is right. i think romfully be respectful. but i think the challenge will be to counterpunch as effectively as possible. >> brett, gq wrote about the squ advice you gave romney. here is a quote more using qualifiers that feed the perception of you as a flip-flopperment attack gingrich constantly, call him a washington insider, a fannie/freddie lobbyist. make him so apoplectic he can't talk. >> i think it was a matter of...
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compare president obama's lead over mitt romney right now. 6%. it's outside the margin of error. could president obama suffer a loss in the same way as president obama carter did despite the lead with more than a month to go, ed o'keefe? >> of course. that's why the only poll that matters is the one that's taken on election day when people actually vote. these polls are meant to serve as quick snapshots of how people were feeling at varying points in time. we use them because we're eager to understand how it is that the electorate is reacting to everything going on. five weeks remain. what is it, 37 days? anything can happen. it could be the debate on wednesday. it could be some other surprise on wednesday or here in the united states. everything could change. that's why it's important that everyone remember that these are just quick snapshots. we use them. it behooves journalists to make sure we don't rely on them too much to start drawing conclusions. >> we do love polls here. it gives us something to talk about. let me ask you this. i have a buddy who contends one of the effec
compare president obama's lead over mitt romney right now. 6%. it's outside the margin of error. could president obama suffer a loss in the same way as president obama carter did despite the lead with more than a month to go, ed o'keefe? >> of course. that's why the only poll that matters is the one that's taken on election day when people actually vote. these polls are meant to serve as quick snapshots of how people were feeling at varying points in time. we use them because we're eager...
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mitt romney's got to find precisely the right arm slot. aggression with the right amount of respect for a popular president. he's got to figure out a way to flush out his agenda without getting to the unpopular parts he's been avoiding talking about like what are the tax breaks he's going to take to get the rates down. he's got to be on offense but not too much. it's hard. everything went right for george bush in 2000. gore was bad, he had orange make-up. he got in bush's face, that didn't go very well. bush overperformed, no foreign policy experience, he did very well. and the bush team outspun the gore people because they pushed their story line. and you went from, you know, minus five before the debate to plus a couple afterward and went on to win that disputed victory. but yes, romney can do it, he was a smart guy, good in most of the debates for the republicans. on the other hand, obama's pretty smart too and there's not much expectation to think he's going to screw up. >> what about, john, playing to that dull incompetent thing? he s
mitt romney's got to find precisely the right arm slot. aggression with the right amount of respect for a popular president. he's got to figure out a way to flush out his agenda without getting to the unpopular parts he's been avoiding talking about like what are the tax breaks he's going to take to get the rates down. he's got to be on offense but not too much. it's hard. everything went right for george bush in 2000. gore was bad, he had orange make-up. he got in bush's face, that didn't go...
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this could signal a pretty significant shift to the right. >> your latest title focused on 34i9 romney. commiserating with the moneyed masses. >> i went to his event in northern virginia and he was talking to a group of veterans and large numbers of unemployment and income forming and i took a stroll through the parking lot with that my roles and the romney bumper sticker on it. but i think that was a metaphor for what the problem is here and that he has his reputation of being a scrooge mcduck and he can't seem to shake it no matter what he says. it's just sort of baked in at this point, i don't know how he gets around and positions himself as a man of the people when he's seen as the man of bain capital. >> we're going to get some unique insights about presidential debates from a broadcasting pioneer carol simpson was the first minority woman to moderate a presidential debate back in 1992, he's going to join us in about a half an hour. >>> we're getting a deadly reminder of the -- two americans, one soldier and one civilian contractor killed during another green on blue attack in thi
this could signal a pretty significant shift to the right. >> your latest title focused on 34i9 romney. commiserating with the moneyed masses. >> i went to his event in northern virginia and he was talking to a group of veterans and large numbers of unemployment and income forming and i took a stroll through the parking lot with that my roles and the romney bumper sticker on it. but i think that was a metaphor for what the problem is here and that he has his reputation of being a...
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right now the president is traveling the fundraisers in los angeles, while mitt romney holds a rally in florida. and mitt romney will deliver a foreign policy speech at the virginia military institute in lexington. then on tuesday, both candidates will be in the midwest. the president will campaign in ohio, while mitt romney will campaign in ohio. >>> meanwhile, a brand-new poll from the university of denver shows the president with a 4-point lead, taken right after the first debate. and in florida, mitt romney thanked the campaign volunteers with a pizza, they urged the people to vote and vote early. >>> meanwhile, debating the debate, still the rage inside and outside the beltway. senior adviser robert gibbs sought to take the attention off the performance, while mitt romney found parallels. >> i think you're going to see a very engaged president that is ready and willing to call out whichever mitt romney shows up. >> and you have to admit that is not the president who showed up in the first debate? >> again, i'm not going to take away from mitt's masterful, theater performance. he
right now the president is traveling the fundraisers in los angeles, while mitt romney holds a rally in florida. and mitt romney will deliver a foreign policy speech at the virginia military institute in lexington. then on tuesday, both candidates will be in the midwest. the president will campaign in ohio, while mitt romney will campaign in ohio. >>> meanwhile, a brand-new poll from the university of denver shows the president with a 4-point lead, taken right after the first debate....
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if the fifth vote to uphold roe is the vote that for some reason retires or leaves the court, right? and mitt romney is the president of the united states, that's the biggest fight ever in our lifetime. tell us what that's going to look like after this break. viou. haha. there's more than that though, there's a kick to it. there's a pop. wahlalalalallala! pepper, but not pepper, i'm getting like, pep-pepper. it's kind of like drinking a food that's a drink, or a drink that's a food, zip zip zip zip zip! i'm literally getting zinged by the flavor. smooth, but crisp. velvety. kind of makes me feel like a dah zing yah woooooh! [ male announcer ] taste it and describe the indescribable. could've had a v8. woooo! a short word that's a tall order. up your game. up the ante. and if you stumble, you get back up. up isn't easy, and we ought to know. we're in the business of up. everyday delta flies a quarter of million people while investing billions improving everything from booking to baggage claim. we're raising the bar on flying and tomorrow we will up it yet again. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 a
if the fifth vote to uphold roe is the vote that for some reason retires or leaves the court, right? and mitt romney is the president of the united states, that's the biggest fight ever in our lifetime. tell us what that's going to look like after this break. viou. haha. there's more than that though, there's a kick to it. there's a pop. wahlalalalallala! pepper, but not pepper, i'm getting like, pep-pepper. it's kind of like drinking a food that's a drink, or a drink that's a food, zip zip zip...
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what mitt romney and president obama have to say right now. this is a saturday afternoon and you are watching msnbc. the place for politics. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels speeds relief to your worst cold symptoms plus has a decongestant for your stuffy nose. thanks. that's the cold truth! droid does. and does it launch apps by voice while learning your voice ? launch cab4me. droid does. keep left at the fork. does it do turn-by-turn navigation ? droid does. with verizon, america's largest 4g lte network, and motorola, droid does. get $100 off select motorola 4g lte smartphones like the droid razr. >>> i'm craig melvin. here's a quick look at some of the top stories making news right now. after a long lockout and a triumphant return to the football field thursday, the nfl referees have now voted to approve a new eight-year deal. today's yes vote comes after three weeks of problems surrounding league
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that's right. >> romney got fact checked by his own campaign. it's pretty clear now that romney has backed himself into a corner and president obama tinds to keep him there. joining me now, dana milbank and erin mcpike. thanks for coming on the show. >> reverend. >> thank you. >> dana, did mitt romney leave himself open to some attacks? >> well, just a little bit, ref renld. i think if he continues on this trajectory, by the last debate, he's going to be considerably to the left of you. and he'll have a difficult time but, you know, i suppose he may be all for increasing the minimum wage and getting more folks on welfare by then. but, you know, he had a very big night in a theatrical sense wednesday night and that really knocked obama back on his heels. now, you're seeing from obama the answers that one would have thought he would have come up with in realtime but romney did leave himself with a problem because he's contradicted himself in so many ways. he's come back and said, which one is it? the one that you presented last wednesday? so we're
that's right. >> romney got fact checked by his own campaign. it's pretty clear now that romney has backed himself into a corner and president obama tinds to keep him there. joining me now, dana milbank and erin mcpike. thanks for coming on the show. >> reverend. >> thank you. >> dana, did mitt romney leave himself open to some attacks? >> well, just a little bit, ref renld. i think if he continues on this trajectory, by the last debate, he's going to be...
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so just by showing up, you would think that romney's a slight favorite right now. we have seen obama recently in a higher position than he's been in all year, maybe higher than you would expect based on where the economy is. so i do think romney should have a tail wind at the same time the stuff we're mentioning where he also has tried to avoid articulating where his positions are on a lot of issues, a lot that is common sense but if you take positions further away from the center that damages you and he's not done a lot of running to the center at all in this campaign. that's unusual and he'll be proebds for more detail during the debate. >> the american public or people are crying out for the etch a sketch moment. joy, in terms of managing expectations, the guy that has managed them in his own fashion is chris christie. i want to play a little chris christie sound doubling down on the fact that this is a big deal tomorrow night for mitt romney. >> this whole race will be turned upside down thursday morning. >> what are you doing, christie? for god sake's if romne
so just by showing up, you would think that romney's a slight favorite right now. we have seen obama recently in a higher position than he's been in all year, maybe higher than you would expect based on where the economy is. so i do think romney should have a tail wind at the same time the stuff we're mentioning where he also has tried to avoid articulating where his positions are on a lot of issues, a lot that is common sense but if you take positions further away from the center that damages...
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. >> roll right over alex. >> whoa. >> the washington of romney rolled over the moderator last night? the thing about -- i came to first because i had writ ain't piece for the "new york" magazine, how to act human, giving romney advice. since then i've tried to pursue him, but that's not easy. he's elusive. >> yes. >> he keeps recasting himself, recasting himself. i've tried to flail it down. before last night's event i had come to the conclusion i finally had typecast him, because he can't play a character role, he's not a good enough actor. this is a conclusion i came to. that he is that boss who makes lame jokes at which we are compelled to laugh at peril of our jobs. >> yes. >> and -- >> i don't know any bosses like that. >> last night he more or less erased that image with the significant cooperation of the president, he presented a brand-new, as you said, and different romney relishing the occasion, filled with facts, right or wrong, true or false, but filled with them, and delivered with great conviction and with energy. unfortunately for the democratic campaign, another presid
. >> roll right over alex. >> whoa. >> the washington of romney rolled over the moderator last night? the thing about -- i came to first because i had writ ain't piece for the "new york" magazine, how to act human, giving romney advice. since then i've tried to pursue him, but that's not easy. he's elusive. >> yes. >> he keeps recasting himself, recasting himself. i've tried to flail it down. before last night's event i had come to the conclusion i...
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if you circumstance two states, mitt romney has to have florida and ohio right up there, andrea. i think florida more likely for mitt romney than ohio, but this is a state he has got to win. we're not entirely sure he will. polling suggests it's close. i'm interested in polls that come out early next week. let's see if there is a debate influence. maybe whether the jobs report, which had, i think, some good news for barack obama. maybe that takes the romney debate bump away or not. but he is spending several days in florida not by accident. he has to win here. >> especially since they're not doing as well as they hoped to do in ohio. there's the other debate, and i'm not talking about the vice presidential match-up next week. i am talking about jon stewart versus bill o'reilly saturday night for charity here in d.c. >> people said they're looking forward to the vice presidential debate. if you're looking for a debate with the most fireworks between now and the election, bill o'reilly and jon stewart. i've been watching the jon stewart clips from "the daily show" with stephen colb
if you circumstance two states, mitt romney has to have florida and ohio right up there, andrea. i think florida more likely for mitt romney than ohio, but this is a state he has got to win. we're not entirely sure he will. polling suggests it's close. i'm interested in polls that come out early next week. let's see if there is a debate influence. maybe whether the jobs report, which had, i think, some good news for barack obama. maybe that takes the romney debate bump away or not. but he is...
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so when i hear barack obama saying mitt romney's a right-wing radical and mitt romney's saying barack obama is a european socialist, it's a joke because al, there's not, unfortunately, a lot of serious talk about -- and you talk to simpson-bowles about the key issues that are going to bankrupt us, not in the next generation, but over the next decade. >> you're right, joe. and the architecture's out there. we know what we have to do. >> right. >> both sides know what we have to do. both sides have to compromise some. particularly social security's not that hard at all. >> no. >> but no one's talking about it. this is a strange campaign. in some ways people talk about what they want to do 10 or 15 years from now. no one's talking about what we're going to do in the next couple years. usually it's the other way around with politicians. neither romney nor obama has told people here's how your life will be better if i'm elected president. >> or harder. >> there are some sacrifices, but those sacrifices are supposed to make it better. >> but we talked last night, mark, about candidates and
so when i hear barack obama saying mitt romney's a right-wing radical and mitt romney's saying barack obama is a european socialist, it's a joke because al, there's not, unfortunately, a lot of serious talk about -- and you talk to simpson-bowles about the key issues that are going to bankrupt us, not in the next generation, but over the next decade. >> you're right, joe. and the architecture's out there. we know what we have to do. >> right. >> both sides know what we have to...
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and that's interesting because a lot of conservatives right now are calling for mitt romney to take a risk, to think outside of the box and really do something dramatic. but given the way the romney campaign runs their team, i doubt they'll do anything that risky. >> what about as we were just watching both of you, and i'll ask you first, joe heard joe biden i'm heard at the top. he is hitting home the medicare mess naj florida. is that a winning strategy? >> you know, it's worked in the past in election cycles we saw it pretty effective in 2010 when republicans used it against democrats. this cycle democrats especially in the house are trying to use it against republicans. i think it's effective with certain segments of the population. you mention the joe biden is in florida. that is exactly one of those populations you're talking about. groups and electorates and voting blocks that are 60 or 55 plus. that's where it's really going to resonate. >> david, can the romney camp send in a paul ryan the way obama sends in his vice-president? can he be that effective in the state of florida
and that's interesting because a lot of conservatives right now are calling for mitt romney to take a risk, to think outside of the box and really do something dramatic. but given the way the romney campaign runs their team, i doubt they'll do anything that risky. >> what about as we were just watching both of you, and i'll ask you first, joe heard joe biden i'm heard at the top. he is hitting home the medicare mess naj florida. is that a winning strategy? >> you know, it's worked...
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right now follow the marching bands to the polls. the romney folks are behind. they don't want america to vote right now. if america went and voted right now, nate silver says president obama would win by 138 electoral vote. there are no marching bands leading people to the polls from the romney side right now. that is not what they need. what the romney side needs is they'd still have to persuade people that mitt romney is the guy to vote for. they need to stop doing whatever it is that has turned so many people off to their candidate. when you ask voters whether they like this mitt romney guy, the answer is a very, very plain answer. no. his favorable ratings are in the low 40s, almost 10 points lower than the ratings for president obama. lower even than the famously unpopular former president george w. bush right now. swing state voters say they do not think mitt romney cares about the needs of people like them. some of them are shockingly bad. look at the percentage of swing state voters who say mitt romney's policies will favor the middle class. in florida
right now follow the marching bands to the polls. the romney folks are behind. they don't want america to vote right now. if america went and voted right now, nate silver says president obama would win by 138 electoral vote. there are no marching bands leading people to the polls from the romney side right now. that is not what they need. what the romney side needs is they'd still have to persuade people that mitt romney is the guy to vote for. they need to stop doing whatever it is that has...
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not everyone is willing to admit president obama is actually leading mitt romney right now. despite what the polling data shows. well, stephen colbert weighed in. >> you can't trust polls, right fox news? >> the latest fox news polls give president obama an edge in three key swing states. once you isolate voters who are extremely interested in the election, the race is much closer. >> romney's tied when you focus on the inexpressibly intrigued. and he's up by two points when you count only voters who are psychotically engaged. folks, i have got my own source of polls, conservative blogger dean chambers who analyzed these polls favoring obama and then reached the scientific conclusion that they just didn't look right. chambers' work throws all polls into doubt now. even the internal ones i have taken of myself. i mean, the results say i'm not that excited about mitt romney, but as a conservative i feel like i should love him. maybe the sample size is too small or maybe i checked the wrong box and i'm actually latino, you know? >> it's not a good sign just six weeks from elect
not everyone is willing to admit president obama is actually leading mitt romney right now. despite what the polling data shows. well, stephen colbert weighed in. >> you can't trust polls, right fox news? >> the latest fox news polls give president obama an edge in three key swing states. once you isolate voters who are extremely interested in the election, the race is much closer. >> romney's tied when you focus on the inexpressibly intrigued. and he's up by two points when...
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the right wing romney is no more. according to what happened this wednesday night. this week the etch-a-sketch came alive during his debate with president obama. he got away with it. he keeps this act up or will we have to fight a tougher fight with obama in the next rounded? michael steele is here with us and cynthia tucker is here as well. thank you, cynthia and michael, there's an old tradition in politics you go to the fringe or hard left or right to win the caucuses and start to move slowly, the big battleship around so by labor day you're ready to confront the enemy at the center. he didn't do that. he stayed right through the summer and masterfully, wednesday, started to go i'm for pre-existing condition coverage, i'm for education and all this good stuff. >> i think part of that, you're right, in your analysis there. that's what happens politically. i think for the romney campaign they took that strategy, elongated it because they had shoring up to do with their base. >> can you pull it off? can you make that switcharoo in september. >> i think you can. >> o
the right wing romney is no more. according to what happened this wednesday night. this week the etch-a-sketch came alive during his debate with president obama. he got away with it. he keeps this act up or will we have to fight a tougher fight with obama in the next rounded? michael steele is here with us and cynthia tucker is here as well. thank you, cynthia and michael, there's an old tradition in politics you go to the fringe or hard left or right to win the caucuses and start to move...
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what's so fascinating about the reception to this on the right is that romney substancetively moved to the left, no question, and it's also the moment that he's been most embraced by the right. >> exactly. >> the reason is this, the thing conservatives care the most about is pissing off liberals. the thing that makes them happiest is when liberals are angry at you. if you infuriate liberals by moving to the left and confounding their beloved president, they're going to love you. they don't care. >> one more thing, they don't really worry that he would actually do what he says. >> that's the other thing. that is the big question. >> they know that once he gets elected he'll move back to the right but not as far right as he was during the primaries. >> at least they think so. >> they think so. >> the larger question, is anyone going to change their opinion based on this quote, unquote, lackluster performance by the president. if you supported him, you might be disappointed, calling joy wondering what happened but you're still going to vote for the president. >> it's the undecided. >> who
what's so fascinating about the reception to this on the right is that romney substancetively moved to the left, no question, and it's also the moment that he's been most embraced by the right. >> exactly. >> the reason is this, the thing conservatives care the most about is pissing off liberals. the thing that makes them happiest is when liberals are angry at you. if you infuriate liberals by moving to the left and confounding their beloved president, they're going to love you....
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now, opponents of abortion rights, they go with romney, 74%. now, the two candidates are diametrically opposed. romney would end funding to planned parenthood, he'd be against mandatory contraception coverage, and said he'd overturn roe v. wade, but at one point he wanted the opposite. >> i believe that since roe v. wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it. >> i have supported the roe v. wade. i am pro-choice. my opponent is multiple choice. >> well, the president has consistently supported roe v. wade. he told a student town hall just that in 2004. >> it's not our position to impose on that woman something that has to do with her body. it's her body essentially that is at stake. >> the president has faced criticism. his plan to require religious employers to offer contraception came under fire, and before that in order to get the health care reform bill passed, he agreed to ban federal funds for abortion except in certain cases. now, to blunt the hangover, ads attacking romney aired, and one democratic group is
now, opponents of abortion rights, they go with romney, 74%. now, the two candidates are diametrically opposed. romney would end funding to planned parenthood, he'd be against mandatory contraception coverage, and said he'd overturn roe v. wade, but at one point he wanted the opposite. >> i believe that since roe v. wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it. >> i have supported the roe v. wade. i am pro-choice. my opponent is multiple choice. >>...
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. >> right. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thanks. >> coming up. the republican voter suppression strategy in pennsylvania suffered a big loss in court today. joy reid will join me on that. by bright eyes you're not just looking for a house. you're looking for a place for your life to happen. it will be a dollar saved by somebody who switched to esurance. like, dollar karma. being online, esurance saves dollars that come back as more dollars for you. esurance. now backed by allstate. click or call. esurance. now backed by allstate. boproductivity up, costs down, thtime to market reduced... those are good things. upstairs, they will see fantasy. not fantasy... logistics. ups came in, analyzed our supply chain, inventory systems... ups? ups. not fantasy? who would have thought? i did. we did, bob. we did. got it. >>> i could have shown mitt romney months ago how to win tomorrow's debate. but i waited until tonight because i know it's way too late to try to teach mitt romney new lines for
. >> right. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thanks. >> coming up. the republican voter suppression strategy in pennsylvania suffered a big loss in court today. joy reid will join me on that. by bright eyes you're not just looking for a house. you're looking for a place for your life to happen. it will be a dollar saved by somebody who switched to esurance. like, dollar karma. being online, esurance saves dollars that come back as more dollars for you. esurance. now...
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right now follow the marching bands to the polls. the romney folks are behind. they don't want america to vote right now. if america went and voted right now, nate silver says president obama would win by 138 electoral vote. there are no marching bands leading people to the polls from the romney side right now. that is not what they need. what the romney side needs is they'd still have to persuade people that mitt romney is the guy to vote for. they need to fix what's gone wrong. they need to stop doing whatever it is that has turned so many people off to their candidate. when you ask voters whether they like this mitt romney guy, the answer is a very, very plain answer. no. his favorable ratings are in the low 40s, almost 10 points lower than the ratings for president obama. lower even than the famously unpopular former president george w. bush right now. swing state voters say they do not think mitt romney cares about the needs of people like them. some of them are shockingly bad. look at the percentage of swing state voters who say mitt romney's policies will
right now follow the marching bands to the polls. the romney folks are behind. they don't want america to vote right now. if america went and voted right now, nate silver says president obama would win by 138 electoral vote. there are no marching bands leading people to the polls from the romney side right now. that is not what they need. what the romney side needs is they'd still have to persuade people that mitt romney is the guy to vote for. they need to fix what's gone wrong. they need to...
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joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with
joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with
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. >> right. thank you both for joining me >> thanks. >> coming up. the republican voter suppression strategy in pennsylvania suffered a big loss in court today. joy reid will join me on that. those little things still get you. for you, life's about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help
. >> right. thank you both for joining me >> thanks. >> coming up. the republican voter suppression strategy in pennsylvania suffered a big loss in court today. joy reid will join me on that. those little things still get you. for you, life's about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is...
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right now by nine points. the other big home state newspaper poll was from the des moines register. according to that poll, the des moines register poll in iowa, president obama is leading by four points. there are a ton of national tracking polls out today. and spoiler alert, they all show president obama ahead by a few points. in terms of the senate races, that same columbus poll out of ohio that shows president obama ahead it shows sherrod brown leading by ten points. heading into the elizabeth warren and scot brown debate in massachusetts, we'll be talking about that in a moment, there's a new poll out today in massachusetts that has elizabeth warren over scott brown by two. in pennsylvania, a newspaper poll released over the weekend put the democrat in that race bob casey ahead of his republican challenger by eight points. as mitt romney's, shall we say, second place standing starts to look like more and more of a permanent residence as it seems like a long shot for winning the presidency, the down ticket
right now by nine points. the other big home state newspaper poll was from the des moines register. according to that poll, the des moines register poll in iowa, president obama is leading by four points. there are a ton of national tracking polls out today. and spoiler alert, they all show president obama ahead by a few points. in terms of the senate races, that same columbus poll out of ohio that shows president obama ahead it shows sherrod brown leading by ten points. heading into the...
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governor romney saying he's never suggested such a thing. who is right on that? >> well, it is one of the instances where they're both right, or both wrong depending how you want to look at it. what governor romney has proposed is to cut tax rates by 20% and eliminate the estate tax and alternative minimum tax. when you do that over ten years you put $5 trillion hole in your revenue. so that's where obama gets $5 trillion tax cut. but governor romney says he will make up that money through eliminating loopholes, tax deductions that sort of thing but he hasn't specifically said which one his would target. but that's how he can say, i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. obama can come back and say you haven't given specifics how can we believe it really adds up. in fact every study nonpartisan that has looked at this has said that you know, unless you really tweaked the numbers, there's not justify money out there to fill that $5 trillion hole. >> so, glenn, the president said she's the guy plan to cut $4 trillion in the deficit. here's how he describes that plan. >>
governor romney saying he's never suggested such a thing. who is right on that? >> well, it is one of the instances where they're both right, or both wrong depending how you want to look at it. what governor romney has proposed is to cut tax rates by 20% and eliminate the estate tax and alternative minimum tax. when you do that over ten years you put $5 trillion hole in your revenue. so that's where obama gets $5 trillion tax cut. but governor romney says he will make up that money...
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on education, on the right way to fix the deficit. romney's approach is the wrong approach. taxes, on deficit, on wall street reform and medicare on mk. and we think that voters are taking this election very seriously. taking the middle class of the country and i do think the president made very clear that we're rebouning from a recession. we're making progress. but there's no progress to be made and if we go back to trickle down economics which is all romney's offering, that the middle class will be harmed and it's going to marme our economy. >> one last question for you and it is a little bit on the style of this and i realize that you're a policy guy as much as you are a candidate guy but i do have to ask you to be candid on the. was there a deliberate strategy on your part to tell the president to not attack mitt romney? he never talked directly to mitt romney and told him that he was being wrong about things. the one time he got closest to that when he said -- your strategy right now is to say "never mind" about your previous tack plan. that's as close as they got to ta
on education, on the right way to fix the deficit. romney's approach is the wrong approach. taxes, on deficit, on wall street reform and medicare on mk. and we think that voters are taking this election very seriously. taking the middle class of the country and i do think the president made very clear that we're rebouning from a recession. we're making progress. but there's no progress to be made and if we go back to trickle down economics which is all romney's offering, that the middle class...
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last night's opening statements set the tone for the debate and mitt romney came right out of the gate with, get this, a joke. let's watch. >> 20 years ago i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to marry me, and so i just want to wish, sweetie, you happy anniversary and let you know that a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. >> congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most ro n romantic place you could imagine here with me. congratulations. >> that was, i hate to say it, charming. >> yeah. >> james. >> yeah. >> where did that come from? >> it came from mitt romney. he's rather notorious for telling nox that go over lie lead balloons. this did not. he finally found his groove as far as a comedian is concerned. at least for that moment. >> let's talk about the president. he was the one i think that was the base of most consternation. you know, he was looking down a lot. did he know and what did you think about the fact of that split screen? there we are watching it now. we never didn
last night's opening statements set the tone for the debate and mitt romney came right out of the gate with, get this, a joke. let's watch. >> 20 years ago i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to marry me, and so i just want to wish, sweetie, you happy anniversary and let you know that a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. >> congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most ro n...
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so the danger of this tax reform trap that governor romney is trying to sell right now is that you're going to end up with massively lower tax rates and you're not going to broaden the base much at all such that you'll have an explosive budget deficit, it's very much what we saw in the bush supply side trickle down years. >> bob, debatess left. the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that somehow or other only the first debates matter. i think the other debates will have big audiences. i'm through with the expectations game. i think vice president biden will do very well next week. i think the president will bring his best game to these next two debates. this guy is a fourth quarter player. we saw it on health care and in the 2008 primaries. when the going to gets tough, when the pressure is on, he really steps up to it. i think barack obama whether do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this,do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters thin
so the danger of this tax reform trap that governor romney is trying to sell right now is that you're going to end up with massively lower tax rates and you're not going to broaden the base much at all such that you'll have an explosive budget deficit, it's very much what we saw in the bush supply side trickle down years. >> bob, debatess left. the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that...
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mitt romney to st. petersburg. i-4. you know the story. swing voters. we'll be right back. weather? the answer? a lot less. the great american fix-up is going on now... ...with new projects every week and big savings every day. so you can do what needs to be done. today. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. right now, owens corning ecotouch attik insulation is only $11.87 a roll. >>> these are critical days for mitt romney as he tries to build on his strong debate performance and answer, now as he gets a second look lingering questions about the tax plan that will get debated and how he will handle medicare. with me republican senator from texas kay bailey hutchinson. good morning. always good to see you. >> thank you, chuck. >> i want to start with first though mitt romney and the 47% remark. here's what he said to sean hannity last night. >> clearly in a campaign with hundreds if not thousands of speeches and question and answer sessions now and then you say something that doesn't come out right. in this case i said something that is just completely wrong.
mitt romney to st. petersburg. i-4. you know the story. swing voters. we'll be right back. weather? the answer? a lot less. the great american fix-up is going on now... ...with new projects every week and big savings every day. so you can do what needs to be done. today. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. right now, owens corning ecotouch attik insulation is only $11.87 a roll. >>> these are critical days for mitt romney as he tries to build on his strong...
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when he's rallying the base, romney throws out red meat for the right. but when he's interviewed by the mainstream press, he tries to give his kinder, gentler side. last night romney told the "denver post" he would honor president obama's work permit program for children of illegal immigrants. that contradicts the extreme position he took during the gop debates. >> if you don't deport them, how do you send them home? >> the answer is self-deportation. people decide they can do better going home, because they can't find work here because they don't have documentation to find work here. >> when he's talking to the base, he's clear about what he would do to the president's health care law. >> if i'm president, i will repeal obama care. i will repeal obama care. we're going to get rid of obama care. >> just listen to what he told nbc news about his own health care record. >> don't forget, i got everybody in my state insured. 10 0% of the kids in my state have health insurance. i don't think anything shows more empathy and care for the people of this country
when he's rallying the base, romney throws out red meat for the right. but when he's interviewed by the mainstream press, he tries to give his kinder, gentler side. last night romney told the "denver post" he would honor president obama's work permit program for children of illegal immigrants. that contradicts the extreme position he took during the gop debates. >> if you don't deport them, how do you send them home? >> the answer is self-deportation. people decide they...
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right romney has got to sort of make the case that we're not going to rip everything out by the roots. which is of course what some in this space do want to have happen. but i'm going to create a better recovery. a faster recovery. so i think that's what the 8% means, right? it means he's got to be more nuanced in that argument. where the president can sit there and make the same case -- do you really want to start over? >> there's another point that for the wealthy, life has been pretty good over the last several years, the stock market has doubled, ceo pay is way up. the long-term unemployed, and those jobs that were lost under the bush administration, that president obama has restored in manufacturing and the like, the key number for them is, who do i trust. to take my long-term unemployment needs, my middle class families' needs, to the next level. so i think that the combination of people just trusting president obama more, if you're middle class, and that he has delivered on what he said he would in terms of getting us out of this hole -- >> murphy doesn't buy that. >> is a powe
right romney has got to sort of make the case that we're not going to rip everything out by the roots. which is of course what some in this space do want to have happen. but i'm going to create a better recovery. a faster recovery. so i think that's what the 8% means, right? it means he's got to be more nuanced in that argument. where the president can sit there and make the same case -- do you really want to start over? >> there's another point that for the wealthy, life has been pretty...